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Best Source on the Web for Converting Model A Brakes to Hydraulic

 

Model A modern style backing plate from MT Auto Products of California

Do yourself a favor and get some of these for your Model A front brakes.  They are far superior to 40 Ford front backing plates.  40 Ford rears are OK as not so much braking is done on the back.  I thought they would bolt right on.  Well, sort of.  The instructions say to cut off the top of the king pins which the wheel cylinder interferes with.  That did not appeal to me so I filed in new mounting holes with the backing plate tilted slightly to the rear.   Oh well, the story of my Model A life!  These backing plates work great.  I love em.

 

Some parts for this setup:

Wheel cylinder: Raybestos WC4809

Wheel cylinder rubber kit: WK21

Front brake shoes: Wagner PAB340

Rear brake shoes:Raybestos 340PG

 

Just done! I modified the MT Products battery box to accept a safer dual Master Cylinder 555-631405  from JEGS. This is a universal MC. This is much better than the single one supplied by the vendor.

I put disc brakes on the front of my mostly stock 28 RPU. I got some 42 square back front spindles and a kit from ECI to put 90 Ford rotors and 87 Chevy calipers on. The kit supplies a bearing spacer for the spindle and new bearings and seals. 1 also had to buy a new steering arm, 40 style tie rods, and cool 40 wheels with moon hubcaps. I could still use the Model A drag link.


I'm including a front brake holdoff valve from Speedway so the rear bendix brakes grab first. If that is not enough, I'll install an adjustable proportioning valve.

One other thing. This change costs slightly less than buying the MT Car Products new bendix style backing plates for the front. $450 for the backing plates plates.
 

This is before I've done the final welding. I used a piece of angle I had lying around

 

 

Hydraulic Brakes for a Model A Ford

The usual disclaimer:  This is how I did the conversion.  This is only my opinion. You are on your own if you do it like I did!

 

Required parts:

Brake hoses for front: BH188215, SBH1001 (V8 hose is too short)

Brake hose for radius rods to frame: BH111139/38210

Front/rear backing plates/shoes and drums/hubs from 40/48 Ford.  These will be used parts.

40/48 rear wheel bearings

Front spacing rings and front bearing spacing rings available from Model A parts house

40/48 master cylinder/wheel cylinders

40/48 Grease seals for front/rear

Steel plugs to weld into front backing plate mounting bolt holes.

New emergency brake cable and part to attach to Model A brake shaft

 

Brake tubes.  The first time I did this conversion I purchased pre-formed tubes for a lot of money from MT Products and was glad to.  The second time I save a lot of money and bent standard length tubes myself.  When the tubes were too long, I bent a jog in the tubing so I wouldn't have to cut and flare.  Try it, you can do it too!

 

 

40/42 backing plates(46/48 also work) front on left (cleaned up and painted) and rear on right (before cleanup)

Note the top cams for adjusting the brakes.

Front backing plate with mounting bolt holes filled with steel plugs

 

Front spacer installed on front backing plate with new mounting bolt holes drilled

There is also a bearing spacing ring required for the front hub

40/42 Style bottom brake adjustment pieces for bottom adjusters

New battery box with master cylinder on the side.

40/42 front brake drum, 46/48 work also

Front backing plate mounted using original Model A grease retainer ring and Model A wheel bearings

Model A brake drum showing raised area next to hub to support wheel

Model A wheel showing where the support ring is required.  See the area between the lug holes and the center hole.

Support rings are available for 40/48 drums which don't have the raised area to support Model A wheels.

An area must be ground out on the rear backing plates for spring shackle clearance

Rear backing plate.  The original mounting holes can be used if the plate is installed without rotating it like some suggest.  Note that the lip on the rear plates have been ground down about 1/8inch.  About 1/16inch was also ground off the shoes.

Rear drum.  3/16 inch must be ground off the drum as shown by the shiny cut ring below:

You have to grind off the bleeder screw for the rear wheel cylinders.

Right rear from behind.  You also have to grind a little off of the shock absorber mounting bracket, but not much.

Left rear from behind

Right rear

Left rear

Left and right rear tee off to a hose

Note: this piece that pulls on the brake rods has to be taken off for the hydraulic hoses to fit to the Wilton battery box master cylinder.

From tee to master cylinder

 

Master cylinder tees off to front

Brake hose for radius rods to frame: BH111139/38210

Right front

A collection of the brake pieces

 

Right Rear

Left Rear

Dave Wilson Battery Box

Front of Wishbone

Left Front: brake hose BH188215/BH4497, SBH1001 (V8 hose is too short)

Right Front:: brake hose BH188215/BH4497, SBH1001 (V8 hose is too short)

Master Cylinder

Right Rear emergency brake

 

 

Left Rear emergency brake

 

I've just discovered another way to put hydraulics on a Model A, use Ford F100 53-56 11inch  bendix backing plates and drums.  Bummer, it works but you can't use 35 Ford wire wheels though.  You could use some later wheels and put some nice moon hubcaps on them for a cool look. 40 Ford 12 inch backing plate on left and F100 11 inch backing plate, brakes, and drum on right. This conversion requires some cheap adaptors, bearing spacing ring and backing plate spacer for the front backing plates, same as required for 40 Ford backing plates, about $15 at model a parts houses.

 

Some more information is also here from HAMB